systemd VS linux

Compare systemd vs linux and see what are their differences.

systemd

The systemd System and Service Manager (by systemd)

linux

Linux kernel source tree (by torvalds)
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520 986
12,580 171,387
2.1% -
10.0 10.0
4 days ago 7 days ago
C C
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systemd

Posts with mentions or reviews of systemd. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-05-04.
  • Dlopen() Metadata for ELF Files
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 8 May 2024
  • PoC to demonstrate root permission hijacking by exploiting "systemd-run"
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 May 2024
    No, the OP was not sent any harassment, the OP _did_ the harassment as it can be seen in the tweets. I mean, they are right there, just click on the links you shared. One of the OP's followers even openly called for the assassination of the project maintainer, and you have the galls to defend him? This is truly deranged stuff.

    And again, there is no "vulnerability", there is simply a person that doesn't know how Linux works and has learned something new. Which again it's fine, nobody knows everything and we all learn new things everyday, it's just that normal and sensible people don't use that to make grand claims on social media and start harassment campaigns culminating in death threats.

    Professional security researchers responsibly report real issues using the appropriate channels, such as defined at: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/security/policy this is not the work of a researcher, this is a grifter looking for self-promotion on social media.

  • Run0 – systemd based alternative to sudo announced
    6 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 May 2024
    > 3. even `adduser` will not allow it by default

    5. useradd does allow it (as noted in a comment). 6. Local users are not the only source, there things like LDAP and AD.

    7. POSIX allows it:

    * https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-...

  • Systemd Rolling Out "run0" As sudo Alternative
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 30 Apr 2024
    > I for one love to type out 13 extra characters

    FWIW, systemd is normally pretty good at providing autocomplete suggestions, so even if you don't want to set up an alias you'll probably just have to type `--b ` to set it.

    > I wonder what random ASCII escape sequences we can send.

    According to the man page source[0]:

    > The color specified should be an ANSI X3.64 SGR background color, i.e. strings such as `40`, `41`, …, `47`, `48;2;…`, `48;5;…`

    and a link to the relevant Wikipedia page[1]. Given systemd's generally decent track record wrt defects and security issues, and the simplicity of valid colour values, I expect there's a fairly robust parameter verifier in there.

    In fact, given the focus on starting the elevated command in a highly controlled environment, I'd expect the colour codes to be output to the originating terminal, not forwarded to the secure pty. That way, the only thing malformed escapes can affect is your own process, which you already have full control over anyway.

    (Happy to be shown if that's a mistaken expectation though.)

    [0] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/main/man/run0.xml

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#SGR_(Select_G...

  • Crash-only software: More than meets the eye
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 30 Apr 2024
  • Systemd Wants to Expand to Include a Sudo Replacement
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 30 Apr 2024
    bash & zsh are supported by upstream: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/tree/main/shell-completio...
  • "Run0" as a Sudo Replacement
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 30 Apr 2024
    the right person to replace sudo, not: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237

    PS: https://pwnies.com/systemd-bugs/

  • Linux fu: getting started with systemd
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 14 Apr 2024
    https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/32028#issuecomment...

    There are some very compelling arguments made there if you care to read them

  • Ubuntu 24.04 (and Debian) removed libsystemd from SSH server dependencies
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 13 Apr 2024
    Maybe it was because you weren't pointing out anything new?

    There was a pull request to stop linking libzma to systemd before the attack even took place

    https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/31550

    This was likely one of many things that pushed the attackers to work faster, and forced them into making mistakes.

  • Systemd minimizing required dependencies for libsystemd
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 12 Apr 2024
    The PR for changing compression libraries to use dlopen() was opened several weeks before the xz-utils backdoor was revealed.

    https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/31550

linux

Posts with mentions or reviews of linux. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-04-30.
  • Doyensec – OOB memory read in Linux kernel
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 7 May 2024
  • Memory is cheap, new structs are a pain
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 5 May 2024
  • The File Filesystem
    8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 30 Apr 2024
    FFS predates FreeBSD and is in some capacity supported by all 3 major BSDs. I'm fairly confident that Linux actually supports it through the ufs driver ( https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/fs/ufs ); whether the use of different names in different places makes it better or worse is an exercise for the reader.
  • Linus Torvalds adds arbitrary tabs to kernel code
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 17 Apr 2024
    These are a bit easier to see what's going on:

    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/d5cf50dafc9dd5faa1e...

    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/d5cf50dafc9dd5faa1e61...

    Unfortunately Github doesn't have a way to render symbols for whitespace, but you can tell by selecting the spaces that the previous version had leading tabs. Linus changed it so that the tokens `default` and the number e.g. `12` are also separated by a tab. This is tricky, because the token "default" is seven characters, it will always give this added tab a width of 1 char which makes it always layout the same as if it were a space no matter if you use tab widths of 1, 2, 4, or 8.

  • Show HN: Running TempleOS in user space without virtualization
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 11 Apr 2024
  • PfSense Software Embraces Change: A Strategic Migration to the Linux Kernel
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Apr 2024
    There was also a Gentoo effort to run atop FreeBSD[0]. The challenge of course is that afaik none of the BSD kernel ABIs are considered stable. The stable interface is the BSD libc. That said, with binfmt_misc, I don't see a reason you couldn't just run (at least some) FreeBSD binaries on Linux with a thin syscall translation layer (rather something like qemu-system) and then your layer hooked via binfmt_misc. I'm not aware of anyone who has done this for FreeBSD, but prior efforts existed as alternate binfmts for SysVr4/5 ELF binaries[2]. Either way would take some elbow grease, but you *might* even be able just reuse binfmt_elf and just have a new interpreter for FreeBSD elf.

    [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_FreeBSD

    [1] https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/binfmt-misc.html

    [2] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/fs/binfmt_elf....

  • Improvements to static analysis in GCC 14
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 3 Apr 2024
    > The original less-than check was deemed incorrect

    It was only deemed incorrect because of an information leak. Not because it's a valid use-case for user space to copy smaller portions of *hwrpb into user space. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/21c5977a836e399fc71...

  • Linus Torvalds accepts a merge commit to the Linux kernel
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 Apr 2024
  • TinyMCE (also) moving from MIT to GPL
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 27 Mar 2024
    Correct. And the combined work needs to carry the MIT license text and copyright attributions for the MIT software authors. With binary distribution it must also be overt, not hidden in some source code drop, but directly accompanying the binary.

    Many people who talk about relicensing never credit the MIT developers or distribute the MIT license text. "Because it's GPL now."

    I don't think that you believe that, but many developers do.

    Some don't see the need for source code scans for Open Source compliance, because the license.txt says GPL, so it's GPL. Prime example is the Linux kernel. There is code under different licenses in there, but people don't even read https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/COPYING till the end ("In addition, other licenses may also apply.") and conclude it's simply GPL 2 and nothing else.

    Also be aware that sublicensing is not the same as relicensing.

  • Linus Torvalds is looking for a more modern GUI editor
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 28 Feb 2024
    > Does he have something against it?

    He notoriously hates GNU Emacs, yes.

    https://marc.info/?m=122955159617722

    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/...

What are some alternatives?

When comparing systemd and linux you can also consider the following projects:

openrc - The OpenRC init system

zen-kernel - Zen Patched Kernel Sources

tini - A tiny but valid `init` for containers

DS4Windows - Like those other ds4tools, but sexier

inotify-tools - inotify-tools is a C library and a set of command-line programs providing a simple interface to inotify.

winapps - Run Windows apps such as Microsoft Office/Adobe in Linux (Ubuntu/Fedora) and GNOME/KDE as if they were a part of the native OS, including Nautilus integration.

s6 - The s6 supervision suite.

Open and cheap DIY IP-KVM based on Raspberry Pi - Open and inexpensive DIY IP-KVM based on Raspberry Pi

earlyoom - earlyoom - Early OOM Daemon for Linux

serenity - The Serenity Operating System 🐞

supervisor - Supervisor process control system for Unix (supervisord)

DsHidMini - Virtual HID Mini-user-mode-driver for Sony DualShock 3 Controllers